[TV] LOST - Sexta Temporada (y última)

[Zwanling]

La verdad es que de este bicho quedaba mucho por explicar.

Normal, porque no han explicado absolutamente NADA, CERO PATATERO, CONJUNTO VACÍO.

Hombre, cero patatero no han explicado, aunque han dejado demasido en el aire de el, en parte han explicado demasiado (origenes en el capitulo de marras) y demasiado poco, no sabemos casi nada de que alcance real tiene su poder, y yo ni recuerdo una explciación a ninguna de sus debilidades...

1.- Se sabe que era capaz de extraer los recuerdo por su aparición ante Eko, o algo parecido pero no llego a concretarse que hacia exactamente.
2.- Lo de la arena no recuerdo explicación alguna.
3.- La isla es la botella, es toda la explicación que dan a por que no puede salir.
4.- Se asume que es el hermano pero yo no lo veo nada claro... esto tambien es por que yo soy muy tozudo.

Yo es qeu recuerdo los viajes en el tiempo y Fumanchú y Lennon me parecen hasta dignos, el veneno que ha dejado a Lost como está fue esa parte de la quinta temporada. Sobre lo del avión y la escotilla, firmado, es mas, incluso se nota en las localizaciones, casi parece mas tema de interes que de presupuesto, de todas formas, para hacer la escotilla se curraron detalle a detalle, tenia mas mimo que presupuesto yo creo.

Por otra parte tambien creo que la velocidad de la serie impide que se centren tanto en un escenario, el templo dura cero coma, la escotilla era un personaje mas.

[r0dia]

4.- Se asume que es el hermano pero yo no lo veo nada claro... esto tambien es por que yo soy muy tozudo.

Hombreee, que se vio el parto. A no ser que te refieras a que no hicieron un primer plano del mismo momento de nacer, pero yo creo que era innecesario XDD.

[evilchicken]

No, se refiere a que el humo negro sea el hermano, o que el hermano al caer provocara la salida del mismo y únicamente tuviera sus recuerdos (a lo Locke o Christian)

[r0dia]

No, se refiere a que el humo negro sea el hermano, o que el hermano al caer provocara la salida del mismo y únicamente tuviera sus recuerdos (a lo Locke o Christian)

Ah vale, rallada mía.

Pues yo sigo creyendo que es el hermano. ¿Motivos? Si los guionistas no explican las cosas yo tampoco XDD.

[Zwanling]

Yo tengo los mismos motivos para creer que no es el hermano... mola mas que no lo sea. Aunque con la filosofia de la serie pega mas que sea la maldad humana la que crea a la criatura.

[darkestfears]

pufff vaya ritmo de posteo, esta noche espero leerme las paginas q me faltan xDDD

Una pregunta... De Lapidus hubo flashback?? Es que no lo recuerdo. Y al final ha sido un personaje que se hubiese merecido más un flashback que Shannon, por ejemplo, o Mr. Eko, que al final no han pintao casi nada xD

[molul]

Hubo un miniflashback cuando presentaron a Miles, Charlotte, Faraday y Lappidus.

En otro orden de cosas, un final alternativo: http://i.imgur.com/z04cQ.gif

[Spider]

Bueno, dije que pasaba...Pero hoy me han mandado esto, y me ha encantado la parte de: Qué pasa con la magia? XD

http://www.zappinternet.com/video/JuNcGezBuh/Drimitri-explica-el-final-de-LOST

[Zwanling]

Un respeto a Shannon, que vale, cuando comenzó la serie era para tirarla al mar, pero al final la chica era maja y fabricó uno de los mejores momentos de Sayid con Ben cuando le explica que sabe que es un otro por que el tema de enterrar a la mujer... por aquel entonces la serie estaba hilada de puta madre.

A mi me causa cierta guasa que Miles y Lapidus han sobrevivido como quien no quiere la cosa y han llegado al final quedandose por el camino los dos supercool del grupo Faraday "yo lo se todo" y Charlotte "indiana jones".

Por otra parte Lappidus no necesita especialmente un flashback, sus motivaciones estaban clarisimas, su bloqueo por el pasado igual, es un personaje que les salio muy facil y ya metiendo a un actor con carisma pues sale un tio que cae majo si o si.

[Jetfil]

Creo que si es el hermano, el lado malo digamos. Cuando estaba con la forma de Locke dijo aquello de una madre pallá, descripción que encaja con la no-madre de los hermanos.

[Dagger]

Su obsesión con salir de la Isla está claro que era del hermano de Jacob (Samuel, dicen que se llama). De todas formas está claro que absorbía recuerdos, caso del hermano de Eko, Christian o el propio Locke.

Y hablando de escenarios, veo que ya os habeis olvidado de las cuevas y el desprendimiento de piedras de cartón. xD Pero claro, queda mejor criticar estas cosas al final, por decir algo. Ya digo, a mí me gustaba Enano Rojo y no tenían ni un puto duro.

Lapidus y Widmore, los flashbacks perdidos.

[Zwanling]

Lo que falto es el flashback de Vincent.

Realmente lo mas cutre de la serie es el oso 3D que quema Locke salvando a Eko, justo en el epicentro. Pero Dagger, reconoce que en muchos escenarios jugaban al detalle, la estación cisne era una gozada, coñe, incluso una maldita mancha en el techo era un personaje, cada habitación tenia su historia, me gustaría haber tenido ese nivel de detalle en el templo, coñe, que se tomasen mas tiempo para algo tan gordo, un sitio con su puertas secretas, sus piscinas milagrosas, y demas resulta mucho menos mágico que el botón que hay que pulsar pero nadie sabe por que, vamos, que trabaja a otro nivel.

Tambien, es chungerrimo mantener un nivel tan alto como el de las dos primeras, y siempre cuesta menos sorprender que explicar las cosas.

[Dagger]

No te digo que no, Zwanling. La cosa es que si un """error""", por llamarle algo, ha tenido esta serie, es darle tantísima importancia a los detalles, tanto que ha vuelto loca a la peña. Con un poquito de menos mitología en ese sentido (sin lost experience, sin videos extra, menos hincapié en los números) habría menos fans de los de siempre un poco defraudados (los que más interés tenían en esas cosas). En cierto modo entiendo y me gusta que en esta temporada, hayan mantenido hasta el final ese ambiente de "antigua civilización / mito primitivo", sin poner muchos símbolos ni historias para entretener al personal hasta los niveles de anteriores temporadas.

Bueno, he visto el capi por segunda vez. Me ha gustado hasta un 15% más que el otro día. Emocionante, vibrante, dejando a la imaginación muchas cosas geniales (como el futuro de la Isla en manos de Ben, Hurley y las "nuevas reglas", o el pasado remoto de la fuente de Luz y esos esqueletos), y vamos, tengo claro que mucha gente terminará apreciandolo mucho más con el paso del tiempo. Hasta el título es una genialidad, simple pero genial. The End. Qué bonito, carajo.

[Zwanling]

Para mi nunca es un error que se tomen su tiempo, esta serie cuando corre mal, y no meto los extras en los detalles, eso no me parece gusto por el detalle, y los numeros, a veces eran ya un poco cansinos. Pero hablando a nivel de decorados, sin eso no me llamaria tanto la atención,

De todas formas me dan un poco igual los fans decepcionados, mis decepciones, que no son al 100% ni mucho menos, nunca se dan cuando se lo toman con calma.

Coincido en que dejar en el aire lo de la isla manejada por Hugo y Ben mola un huevo, aunque ya lo he dicho antes como 300 veces, y los esqueletos igual. A mi me mola que se busquen nombres simples, pero que te des cuenta a mitad del capitulo del verdadero significado del titulo, the end es demasiado básico.

[Dagger]

Y ahí está su grandeza. Es un The End para todos.

El clima de "polémica" (aderezado con montones de peña que aún pide que expliquen lo de los osos polares) a mí también me la pela, era algo más que predecible. Estoy seguro de que el tiempo pondrá las cosas en su sitio, y si no...




Y ahora, un extra estupendo. Es una carta apócrifa de un tío de Bad Robot explicando el final con pelitos y señales (aunque los que preguntan por los osos se van a quedar igual). Merece mucho la pena, sea legit o no:

Alerta, SPOILER! de asunto desconocido:

Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I’ve had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John’s questions about Dharma and the “pointless breadcrumbs” that really, weren’t so pointless …

First …
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people’s heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a “Protector”. Jacob wasn’t the first, Hurley won’t be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him — even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob’s plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn’t do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn’t take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma — which I’m not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by “corrupting” Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben’s “off-island” activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the “Others” killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that’s what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn’t do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB’s corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That’s a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still … Dharma’s purpose is not “pointless” or even vague. Hell, it’s pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his “candidates” (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of “candidates” through the decades and letting them “choose” which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn’t. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector — I know that’s how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won’t answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he’d always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we’ll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on …

Now…

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least — because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer’s room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we’re all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it’s not exactly the best word). But these people we’re linked to are with us duing “the most important moments of our lives” as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It’s loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this “sideways” world where they exist in purgatory until they are “awakened” and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show’s concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own “Sideways” purgatory with their “soulmates” throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That’s a beautiful notion. Even if you aren’t religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It’s a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events — not JUST because of Jacob. But because that’s what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith — and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that’s THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer’s took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways “purgatory” with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn’t allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died — some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley’s case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are “awakened” and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren’t in the chuch — basically everyone who wasn’t in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here’s where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It’s possible that those links aren’t people from the island but from their other life (Anna’s parnter, the guy she shot — Roussou’s husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn’t go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can’t move on yet because he hasn’t connected with the people he needs to. It’s going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley’s number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It’s really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more “behind the scenes” note: the reason Ben’s not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn’t believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It’s pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church — but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church … and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder — the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ’s ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I’ve been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I’ve loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don’t touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story — even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.